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Im not saying thats the case only sharing my experience & by Gods grace I have done so I believe. In 1539 thirty one more who had fled to Holland were apprehended and martyred there. either. It is an important part of the church. As with any true New Testament church, its validity as a true church approved of God, does not, nor or ever did rest on its name or upon a succession of churches, but on its adherence to the principles of Gods Word. We are not under law, but under grace. I read what you wrote, thats why I replied with what I wrote. I am Presbyterian and we had a discussion on Christian doctrine. By 1644, these congregations grew to seven churches. I really have an issue with this point. Hi Ahlayashabi Please forgive us if we have offended you in any way. https://www.victorybaptistharvey.com victorybaptistharvey@gmail.com. Through preaching the New Testament, the Gospel went forth in power and the Baptist movement grew rapidly. It shows Gods promises to us and more importantly it shows us Gods fulfilled promises to the church. I am personally done with religion If asked what religion I am, my standard answer is christian even though I am still attending a little Baptist Church. Ok, so Im pretty sure you are referring to the Church of Christ that was founded by good ol Thomas Campbell (1763-1854) He was a fine Scottish Presbyterian who left Ireland to come to western PA. in 1807. This is the largest christian gathering in the U.S. attracting more than 100,000 last year. Jesus as clearly as the Son of God could tells us says (John 6:37-39,43 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. Also, I support tithing personally. Yes, we do preach not to be unequally yolked with non-belivers and I agree with that. The Puritans were in control of the colonies and in fact had set up a theocracy in which the Puritan church governed both secular and religious affairs. I think that you should go kill your children. History is clear there is no other denomination that has so loved and been faithful to Gods Word as has the Baptists. HOME SERMONS ARTICLES CONTACT ABOUT US: Preacher's Ponderings. I have done my share of research on what defines a cult and unless Im missing something, we dont qualify as a such. Baptists, basing their beliefs solely on the Bible, and in particularly the New Testament, have never held to these teachings and see them as heresy. An Independent Baptist Church would not be apart of a national organization that would exercise authority over the local church. We give out of thankfulness to God for what Christ has accomplished as we are led by the Spirit. The first Baptist church on American soil was a direct result of the Puritan persecution of true New Testament believers. Praise the Lord she started going back to church recently. The ones Ive attend are really good. 13:17, Acts 20:28, Eph. This was the birth of Protestant churches. I have to tell you, Lynne, if you want to keep one part of the law, without keeping the rest of the law, you are guilty of breaking the whole thing. Still today, many Protestants see the Lords Supper as a sacrament, having to some degree saving properties or giving some spiritual benefit. The form contains many questions about doctrine and philosophy of ministry. Not once in the New Testament do you find even a hint that a church was legitimate because it was founded by Paul or called itself by a particular name. I would mostly be concerned about #1 more than any other. I also believe that hanging around with non-Christians is detrimental to ones faith as I have done this. You are right, Jesus came to fulfill the law. They are worlds apart. These are the distinctives which separate Baptists from all Protestants, any organized church or Christian cult. The name Independent Fundamental Baptist Church is used traditionally by churches which pattern themselves strictly after the example of the early church as found in the New Testament. Select church size. IMO, this is is baptist deception at its absolute worst. There are no rules about what to give at all. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man . An Independent Fundamental Baptist church exists for the sole purpose of evangelizing the world with the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ. If you want to be under law, you need to keep all 613 commandments of the Mosaic law. So just these few examples demonstrate why many people, including me have a hard time understanding this ancient translation. Typically they take the following verse an stretched it like a balloon: The Calvinistic or Particular Baptists were a different group and believed in limited atonement in which only the elect could be saved. Thank you for visiting Fundamental.org Home to the KJV Church directory! They do not find support in the Bible for such a requirement. The old testement tithes went to the Levite priests to support them (Numbers 18). Its so important to ask Gods help in forgiving themotherwise satan can get a foothold. Pastors Deserve Double Salary? I, for one, am glad you wont post here again after that comment, but I hope you will at least read this, although Im not holding my breath. He believed the only way to recover was to form a new church based on the Bible. I believe it is almost impossible to grow to a complete relationship with God without knowing his nature. Under grace we can give as much as we like. The ordinance of baptism, or 2. First I would disagree that The Church of Christ teaches first century, new testament doctrine. One can be feed, clothed , housed & grow up lost & will die but the Gospel offers Eternal Life! Some Baptist historians, have made attempts at doing this, but in many cases refer to groups as early Baptists who did not in fact hold to pure Baptist beliefs as held today. I commented that some of the teen girls were dressed entirely innappropriately with tiny shorts, which were very immodest, so there certainly should be a standard for modesty. Giving ten percent to God is a good thing, I agree with that. Not sure where to post this so lets try here. But I dont self-identify as a Baptist any longer, I simply say that Im a christian. Again, its not about how we dress, but about who we are. There was a fine of 2000 pounds of tobacco for failure to have ones infant children baptized. Also, and Im not sure how to word this question properly, but during the building of the original NT church as described in Acts and further in the rest of the NT, wouldnt they have had to subscribe to some form of outside authority and control in order for the church to be formed? Thus, the name independent means that the church patterns itself after the New Testament example and stands alone under the authority of the Bible. Its not that I wouldnt want to give to bothbut if I only have 30 dollars; Id rather give to feed, clothe, house & most of all share the Gospel vs just feed, clothe & housed. Just curious. Nope, dont see that. Throughout all your conjecture you based none of you opinions on scripture. All but seven were above the Mason-Dixon line. Baptists are not Protestants! The transformation God is making in our lives makes us stand out. Although we gladly accept donations offered it is not required. As far as I can tell, we are not cultic in any way and just like any other denomination we have our doctrinal differences. Smyth died in 1612, and the church ended in Holland shortly after that with Helwy, Thomas and John Murton returning to England as persecution there had lessened. 5. The Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. We had an elderly woman that lifted her hands and shouted to the Lord the entire service before she went home to be with Him. Ive experienced this kind of power over and over again in the church. In only a few years however, the church had lost all but ten members to the Mennonites and other groups in Holland. We are friendly Fundamental Independent Baptists, k ind-of like the church your grandparents might have once attended. The study of Gods word deserves more time than this life holds. I think any Christian should be allowed to wear what they want. Jesus Peace, Joy, and Guidance be with us all. 3.) . Northwest Bible Baptist Church is an old-fashioned, independent, fundamental Baptist church in Elgin, IL that believes, preaches, and practices the Bible. Also, from personal expreicnei know how it feels to be spirtually abused. HARVEY ND 58341 (701) 324-4415 CH/HM. He spoke aganist them leaving the others things undone. Since there is no membership at CCs, the congregation neither votes a pastor in, nor can vote their pastor out, if necessary, unlike a Baptist church. http://www.bible-truth.org/fundbapt.htm. My sons group will be performing on the Indie stage at 10:00 am on July 1. It is difficult to trace Baptist churches down through history. We do good works (they are only truly good b/c of the bllod of Jesus that justifys us & are perfect through His shed blood). Memoirs of a Recovering Fundamentalist, 55. I do hope that your eyes will be opened up soon because keeping the law will not grant you entrance into heaven. The person, John the Baptist. Sure you used scripture, but only as a hammer to bash Greg on the head. A church which cannot answer yes to all of these questions cannot historically call itself a Baptist church. It became an independent church in 1746. Therefore if a church is teaching Tithe is mandatory or sin if not donethey are I believe in error. There are plenty of church members that disagree with the preacher on many topics. Lynne, Further, he ignored the reading of the order of service and simply preached the Scriptures. Believers are not set apart by the clothing they wear so much as their conduct, character, and lifestyle. Generally speaking, to be Reformed means to have one's roots in the Protestant Reformation of the 16th and 17th centuries. when the apostle Peter was fishing he stripped and was naked while he was fishing (John 21:7). This church had no ties to anyone or any other church, yet this was a Baptist church as much as any Baptist church ever was. 4) strict obedience to the pastor Its is true that many Baptists left the ranks of Protestant churches which were doctrinal unsound and apostate. Desire your best & healing in Lord Jesus if not. I believe every one should realize that all is God & if a saint desires to put a tenth to honor God & furthering His kingdom or whatver portion as He desiresthat s a noble act between God & Himself. What possible value is there in appealing to a supposed unbroken line of Baptist churches as a churchs authority. Being to poor to pay the fines he was banished from the colony. Again adhering to correct doctrine and proper practices should be the focus in our lives. 5:23) and the Chief Shepherd )1 Peter 5:4). The only power above the pastor is God, and Gods silence seems to imply endorsement and collaboration. It is difficult to document these congregations because they were rarely in the spot light of history. Thats all. Well last night the first speaker, spoke on Hell, he said not many preach on Hell anymore (yea, right!) Im not sure about this one. They dont tell us what to wear more than any other church. The validity of a church as being a true Biblical New Testament church does not rest in it ability to show an unbroken line of succession from the time of Christ. I dont understand the context of your comment. We use our monetary resources alone. Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. I was always told ten percent and thats I give for the most part unless I cant afford it in which case I give what I can. If someone wanted to Tithe down to a tenth of all they owned & sell or give value of itIm sure they could. Thier is nothing harmful in regard sto relating to other denominations if ny that you mean fellowships that are Christian. So wonderful to hear you are making progress in your spiritual journey. Will you join us? This is whats known as the Argumentum ad populum fallacy. In 1995 the group reported 69,857 members and 670 congregations. But if your wife and daughters are dressing immodestly to draw attention to their bodies, theyre not dressing in a Christ-honoring way For another example, our neighbor is a lost man. He brings up the subject of God and church all the time. The Law was done away withperfect love fullfills all the Law was trying to acomplish. I heard an absolutely beautiful message, very uplifting, of course no singing, (Btw I like acapella singing, no biblical reason for it though) also didnt talk about baptism that day. I went on to share with her that in that same passage it says, singing psalms, hymns (which by the way modern churches are throwing out) and spiritual songs. Greg all churches that suppoort Tithing as a good thing (incl IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, Many Non-Denominational Chruches,etc) Tithe a Tenth of thier income to building Gods Kingdom. Hope that last wasnt too much personal info. The one caution I would give is to allow God to speak to you through the scriptures, that is the most critical. Thousands of Southern Baptist Churches didn't baptize a single convert last year. First anytime a mans name is attached to a system of theology my antennae go way up, think Campbell, Calvin, Arminius, Smith etc. A true New Testament church bases its faith, practice and authority solely in the Word of God. In 1663, Charles II, gave the colony a royal charter and it read: Our royal will and pleasure is, that no person within the said colony, at any time hereafter, shall be in any wise molested, punished disquieted, or called in question, for any differences of opinion in matters of religion, and do not actually disturb the civil peace of the said colony. As a matter of fact, you cannot be a member of a Calvary Chapel. Protestants still practice infant baptism which is not taught in the Word of God. Any way dont want to lie on any church. Even after Williams left it, it continued to follow the New Testament and was not adversely effected. This is the only point that I disagree with of IFB doctrine. The cause is clear. America needs great Independent Baptist churches again. They were then tarred and feathered and ran out of the county. I found a load of stuff about people who claim certain Calvarly Chapels misueded them & did not know Bible & also on ehere in Maryland has a onliune tithe on website! Everyone wanted attention from the pastor and never left the man alone to truly study Gods Word. We should stand out because we are different. We must agree with John Smyth, the true New Testament church is founded on its belief and practice of the Scriptures, and not on any outward succession of a visible or invisible organization. Williams graduated from Cambridge University in 1627, and was apparently ordained in the Church of England. No church in the NT took that label. Some years ago when I was attempting to find another church for my family to attend so as to escape a spiritually abusive IFB, I found myself at a Church of Christ that had split from the large COC in town. Later, the Dutch issued new orders and allowed religious liberty. But the police proceeded to arrest them and throw them in jail. I would directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct. I am having a hard time figuring you out. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Undenominational Churches. Baptists strongly insist that Gods Word is not up for arbitration or subject to the individuals, groups, denominations or churchs private interpretation. 71 N., De Queen, Arkansas 71832, United States of America DeQueen Flag Listing Claim This Listing Arbanna Baptist Church // ]]> Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception, 42. In 1631, he arrived in Boston. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. It is not historically correct to identify Baptists as Catholic protestors who left the Roman church. Today the name Baptist is used by many churches who are not truly following the teachings of the New Testament. However, John the Baptist was an Old Testament saint and the last Old Testament prophet (Matt. 1) strict adherence to one version of the bible Yes, I knew the life he led, and there was nothing externally that suggested he was anything but a vile sinner who was never saved. (David Benedict, A General History of the Baptist Denomination in American, and Other Parts of the World, London: Lincoln and Edmands, Nr. 7.) We are a local New Testament church reaching the Phoenix area with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. So many churches have lost wonderful ministry opportunties by turning away those hurting, divorced folks, its a shame, God help us all to be sensitive to those who are hurting all around us. I myself wear pants and outside of church most of the other women do too. Smokers use breath mints. Greg, Tithing is still a required act in obedience just like loving the Lord thy God and loving thy neighbor as thyself is. You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. Those soldiers they so casually curse gave their life so that these wannabe BLM or ANTIFA buttinskies could spew their hate at those who defended their freedoms. Clearly, he was banished because he believed in religious freedom and believed and taught the New Testament was a believers sole source for his faith and practice. Tithing preceded the OT Law. These churches patterned themselves strictly after the New Testament example, and this made them valid churches approved of God. I request any comment left to me is free of insults and vulgarities, please). If it furthers & advances the Kingdom of God (the Church, Evangelism, Missionaries, etc), then I believe it is going to God. One of the best sources I have found concerning His nature, the Nature of Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is at the following link: Gayle Erwin does a wonderful teaching on the nature of God. Henry Jacob. Encyclopaedia Britannica's editors oversee subject areas in which they have extensive knowledge, whether from years of experience gained by working on that content or via study for an advanced degree. In his writings he appears ignorant of the practices of the Roman Church and never refers to church councils, creeds, traditions or even to the existence of a pope. 1. These churches remained sound in doctrine and practicing the faith of the New Testament. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.. I hope you come back to comment more. They should not be confused true Bible believing churches, because their beliefs and practices were much like the Church of England. He has been an alcoholic, had been sexually abused in a Catholic orphanage, had lost his family, and had lost everything. But not all Baptist churches are that way! I believe the all scripture is given. passage to include the Old Testament, too. Just because all churches do something a certain way (whether its tithing, tithing a tenth, standing on their heads when they pray, or whatever) doesnt make it correct. The acapella voices were very beautiful, and I knew she would have enjoyed hearing them. You cannot read psalms w/out seeing those raised hands. We can clearly see the Spirit of God in your gracious post. IndependentBaptist.com was founded in an attempt to bring back the principles that lifted our movement in the 60's and 70's and that need to be revived in this day. Ok so he starts attempting to pull the heart strings about loved ones that you are around daily, and if you are telling them enough about getting saved etc. Wives Submit Deception Revisited Exploration of Ephesians 5:21, 74. Like I alluded to earlier most folks dont study their bible, and many do so with preconceived ideas, please have a look at your churchs stance on these issues according to scripture and see if Thomas Campbell is right about these things. For example, G.L. He had a few different views and was eventually censured (kicked-out) from the Presbyterian church in 1809, so he eventually started his own church. If the apostle Peter wanted to show up to Church one day while he was stripped and naked he would probably not be allowed in most Churches unless he put on some clothes. Members are encouraged to post contact information for such churches. However, bottom lineJesus never shared but truth to all incl Phairsees so if His position on tithing was as being not to be left undonethan I believe it stands as something that is good to do, pleasing to God. Anyhow he screamed through most of it (funny I never see Jesus screaming at folks, particularly His followers) told some fantastic tales, not saying he was lying, but, well you know what I mean. I find it difficult sometimes to keep Gods sovereignty and my responsibility in balance. Member churches are forbidden to affiliate with any denomination, and the fellowship, administered by annually elected trustees, cannot organize itself as a denomination. In other words, when the Bible speaks, the words have a literal meaning and that it the meaning God intended. Surely, no church that practiced false doctrine, as many of these groups did, can in truth be called a Baptist church. They wanted to bring reform to the Church of England. Particular Baptist had their beginnings around 1616, when some dissenters left the Church of England and were lead by the Rev. If you think women ought to wear pants, thats your prerogative. He soon embraced Separatists ideas and decided to leave England. Please elaborate, Should have said of course no singing with musical accompaniment.. God bless. Our pastor has NEVER once insinuated that the church ought to obey him. The entire point of Matthew 15 is Jesus telling the Pharisees that the ceremonial laws were no longer needed since the reason for them (the cleansing of sin) was replaced with Christs eventual death on the cross. If other will share. Such as The Church of Christ? I would prefer just wearing casual clothes like I do just about every time. I am a musician, so really wouldnt be very content in a church where I couldnt play an instrument and never did go there, except to attend her funeral. He strongly believed in separation of church and state and upheld the principles of soul liberty. She even gave me a monetary gift when I had no money for food. What does this have to do with our discussion? Fundamental Baptists are strict in interpreting the Bible in a literal sense. The tourists and the police finally separated after hundreds of dollars changed hands. Independent Baptist Churches is a subsite of IndependentBaptist.com. 77. Your use of scripture only shows your ignorance of it. As many theologians saywe can agree to disagree on some things but when it comes to the Fundamental of the Christian Faithbased on by the way what God says in the Word, then thats when one should draw the line b/c its no longer a matter of Christians in various fellowships & preferances that are allowable but then becomes a matter of even being a Christian at all (like Mormonisn, Jehovahs Wittness, Catholics, etc). 7. The faulty logic here comes from not paying attention to the Scripture. Ministry experience: Over thirty years of experience in Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches, serving in . Examples: Billy Graham, Promise Keepers. @greg None of us that I know of follow his every word like it was the Gospel truth. (I do love acapella singing, btw.). Our editors will review what youve submitted and determine whether to revise the article. It is believed that God meant what he said in Revelation 22:18, the Scriptures were not to added to or taken from. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright . God alone has that authority and He in the person of the Holy Spirit brings conviction and salvation to those who in simple faith believe. The mighty IFB has spoken It looks like I'm wasting my time. (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); //